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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 9:13 am 
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It's a piece of cake to mix, it was actually the 2nd track for a long while, but I dropped the first track as I prefer to not start with a kick drum. The intro of your track isn't ideal for a DJ, but there's enough recurring elements before the kick to make it mixable. People who use sync would have no problem at all, it's stupid feedback for your music, tbh. The only problem I had with your track was transitioning that super punchy kick drum into a softer one- if you ever go back to that track you should maybe tame that a little.



well, I gotta get it mastered at some point, and tbh, there are a few times when I listen to it that I want to go back and change a few things here or there.
And that kick : Mattias always told me that's the only thing he hates about the track. :D
I don't know, in one way I still think it's not over done (which I did do on other tracks unfortunately), but yeah, I wouldn't be sure what to replace it with.
I can waste hours swapping kicks and afterwards I could still be in doubt if what I picked is the right one.

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zukenbauer wrote:
Couldnt help myself thinking that first track is hades production, that vocal and atmosphere, must be him


it's only my one track I'm always happy with,
and you're saying you didn't even know that one yet ?
You do know that this means you never even bothered to check out my SC page properly.
And here I am always listening to all your WIP's trying to help you out.

All right...
I strongly suspect your next WIP will totally suck,
and the next one after that might even be worse
and the one after that,
and...


you ungrateful little cunt ! :D

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 10:30 am 
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I'm listening to the whole thing again at work.

I think it's seriously good, each track is fucking killer. Such sophistication And the mixing is great.

(With that being said, my track is about as subtle and sophisticated as a gourmet meal at KFC)

@Hades, yeah I've had a couple of releases, but the two that are from the 'biggest' labels have not been through me sending demos. So I've re-evaluated my position in terms of my talent and the size of the talent pool. I'll make tracks, have them sit around and not send out demos!

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jordanneke wrote:

@Hades, yeah I've had a couple of releases, but the two that are from the 'biggest' labels have not been through me sending demos. So I've re-evaluated my position in terms of my talent and the size of the talent pool. I'll make tracks, have them sit around and not send out demos!


so they contacted you in this case ?

I do the same thing.
I just want to build further and make a few other good tracks.
Now I only consider 2 of my tracks good, and a few as ok.
If I do decide to start with a release, I want to have more than just 1 or 2 tracks ready.
I might consider sending out demo's in a few years, but only to labels where my music would make sense, so to say. (not just labels I like, there's a big difference)
(right now I wouldn't even know a single one tbh)

What's the point in sending it to all kinds of labels just begging for a release somewhere ?
Fuck that shit, won't change my life much anyway.

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 Post subject: Re: Planar _ Subsekt Tracks 2017 _ Mix _ www.subsekt.com _ 0
PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:15 am 
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The track listing has been added to the first post of the thread. I'll post up a post-mortem once I've had chance to finish writing it.

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And that kick : Mattias always told me that's the only thing he hates about the track. :D
I don't know, in one way I still think it's not over done (which I did do on other tracks unfortunately), but yeah, I wouldn't be sure what to replace it with.
I can waste hours swapping kicks and afterwards I could still be in doubt if what I picked is the right one.


I think it would suit a nice, round 808 style kick (short decay, of course). Maybe even layer a small amount of the kick you already have on top.

And now I've just been sick in my mouth a little for advising to use an x0x drum sound...

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Hades wrote:
zukenbauer wrote:
Couldnt help myself thinking that first track is hades production, that vocal and atmosphere, must be him


it's only my one track I'm always happy with,
and you're saying you didn't even know that one yet ?
You do know that this means you never even bothered to check out my SC page properly.
And here I am always listening to all your WIP's trying to help you out.

All right...
I strongly suspect your next WIP will totally suck,
and the next one after that might even be worse
and the one after that,
and...


you ungrateful little cunt ! :D


Hahah now you're talking shit..
Ofc i knew that one, i just didnt realize that cus when i was typing that comment above, i was on 2.min of a set only.
Even my friends heard some of your tracks several times.

Few days ago my friend got some psylocibin extract in powder so we made a nice atnosphere with light in his apartment and guess whos tracks were playing in background :)

After an hour or two, we were dying out of laughter so it was time to show them "penis techno", fucking great moment. Unfortunately we couldnt finish the track as it was way too agressive for that moment:d


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btw Planar, is there gonna be a download link to the mix ?
cause at the moment I'm not seeing one.

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Hades wrote:
btw Planar, is there gonna be a download link to the mix ?
cause at the moment I'm not seeing one.


if you mean the hearthis link, I have just activated the download option. my bad.

ive checked soundcloud as well and the download is turned on.

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Planar wrote:
Hades wrote:
I always wondered how one would use one of my tracks into a mix,
since my music is into such a niche world of its own and (to my ears) barely mixable at all.
Now I know : you just start a set with it ! :)


It's a piece of cake to mix, it was actually the 2nd track for a long while, but I dropped the first track as I prefer to not start with a kick drum. The intro of your track isn't ideal for a DJ, but there's enough recurring elements before the kick to make it mixable. People who use sync would have no problem at all, it's stupid feedback for your music, tbh. The only problem I had with your track was transitioning that super punchy kick drum into a softer one- if you ever go back to that track you should maybe tame that a little.

I'll start the track list and notes on the mix this evening, might have it up for tomorrow.


too bad for that person his track didnt make it
i listened the mix a few times over the weekend and it is really good
great job planar


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This is one hell of a mix. I love the diversity of it.
So much talent on here.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 3:45 pm 
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First of all, thanks for all the kind words about the mix. It wouldn't have been possible without everyone's submissions. The amount of music I received and the general high quality level meant that I could have done 2 mixes in the end. I tried to get as many people in as I could, but some people did miss out due to sending me tracks in a similar style to the stuff in the first half of the mix, which I felt went on long enough in it's final form. I got a lot of music in that almost tech-house style, which surprised me a bit. Others reasons for missing out included track speed (you know who you are), slightly lower production standards and just some music I wasn't personally into. Sadly, some people missed out with really strong tracks: Vorlis, Barfunkel and Pedro were *this* close to being in, but I dropped their tracks for various reasons (happy to explain why via PM if you guys want to know).

From my point of view this was a much more enjoyable exercise compared to last time. I didn't have to spend hours "mastering" tracks or wondering how I'd jam sections together, it was basically no different to any other planned DJ set with a more limited set of music to choose from. I didn't approach it any differently than I think anyone else would have, I listened to everything blind a couple of times and used the stand-out tracks of each style as something to anchor the rest of the mix around. After a few sessions on the decks with all the tracks it was apparent that this was going to sound pretty coherent as a mix (certainly compared to last time), so making it an actual good mix to listen to became an aim as well, which in turn influenced what other tracks I chose.

Anyway, here's a walk through of each track with some thoughts from me (good and bad) and things I did with each one.


1 Hades - Jeune & Jolie

I was pretty determined to get one of Hades tracks in, he's a bedrock of the forum and was hesitant to send something at first. I actually preferred another track he sent me, but it was just too quiet in comparison to everything else, so I went with Jeune & Jolie. It was going to be 2nd in the mix, but in the end I preferred a slightly more ambient opening to the mix.

2 Koenrahd - Pas mix

Mixing out of Jeune & Jolie was a little tricky because of the kick drum and some of the dissonance not working well with some of the other more melodic tracks. So I decided to loop the intro of Pas mix throughout a large section of Jeune & Jolie so I could have a long, smooth transition into something a little more full on to start to build to the next anchor point in the mix. If I'd have had more time I would've started the whole thing again, as I'm not 100% happy with this mix.

3 Mehta - Kyib

This is great track that kind of got stuck in my head each time I blind listened through the tracks, so I definitely wanted it in somewhere. Thankfully it fit nicely after Pas mix and was an absolute dream to mix into Jordan's track. I love a long transition and the way Kyib and Touch mingle together sounds great to me, it was hard not to have a bit of a wiggle as I was mixing them together.

4 Jordan Louis - Touch

The break-out hit of the member mix! Jordan sent me lots of good music, and I kind of dismissed this one at first, what a mistake that would have been! This is the erection section of the member mix ;)

5 Michal Lovatt - Headshot

This track was a pain in the arse. It's quite slow, so it was difficult to find a place to fit it without having it at +8 (which is something I avoid as I mix with the pitch fader). It's also got a short outro, so I had to set a loop at the end so I could mix it out in my own style. Saying all that, it's a great track that kinda reminds me of my prog house days.

6 Kromasome - Inertia

I like the slightly spooky synth line on this one and I think the transitions between sections are well done. Lovely little groove.

7 Thomas Timusk - 08_93

Sinesnsnares sent me 3 tracks and, to be honest, I could have included any of them. 08_93 fit nicely in this section and was a lot of fun to mix into Tzukenbauer's track, in hindsight perhaps they should have been in the opposite order, but never mind, eh.

8 Tzukenbauer - 050Acid

Another track on the slighly housier end of things, I only included it this late because I enjoyed mixing it into the last track.

9 Pheophyte - Forage

I think 1nfinitezer0 sent me a decent track last time that I didn't included, so I wanted to get this in for him (if not, you've profited from my dodgy memory). The mix into this is the first transition I had to really force and tbh, I wish I could go back and re-do this mix or find something that meshed with the groove in this track better. For me, this track doesn't really get going until the break when the melody comes in properly. I think this track has been mastered professionally, which gives you a good idea of how well everyone else did their home mastering as it's pretty hard to tell.

10 Corrosive - In Flames

This is one of my favourite tracks in the mix, it's just so strong sounding. It was a shame not to receive more music like this and Frarnce's track, I'd have liked to have extended this section of darker material out a bit. This is another track that's been mastered professionally, by Steve no less.

11 Frarnce - Tax

Another really strong sounding track. This one has a strange percussive intro that's really short, so I looped it and kept it in the background of the last track until the end where I fade it right up. Listening back I can't tell where I start mixing this one in, so it's my personal favourite transition in the mix even though it sounds simple if you don't know what I did.

12 Obtuso Music - Planet Prospecting

This is a wonderful track, it would have been nice to build into a bit more, but then again the contrast with Frarnce's track works well (even though it's not the most natural of transitions).

13 Perial - Going Home

Perial makes great music. His track last time was great, this one is also great and would usually be the kind of track I'd finish a mix on. You should post more.

14 Alume - M'saq

This felt like it should have been near the start of a mix rather than the end, but it's muted low end meant it worked ok after Going Home and as a spring board for the last section. I love the percussion work.

15 Planar - Union (Subsekt member mix edit)

Cringe.

16 Merah - Beginners Mind

I'll be honest, I told Merah he could send a track like this to me and it would be OK, I knew what I'd get from him and pretty much always assumed I'd end with his track. I'm not usually a fan of dub-techno stylings and DnB, but this works really, really well imo as it's in half time and keeps that more chilled dub techno vibe. I wish it were a couple of minutes longer, I felt a bit rushed while mixing this into the last track and I couldn't find a decent loop point.



Some final random thoughts:

* Some of you need to take more care over meta-tags in your files. No wonder labels have no idea what some music is they receive when all the tags are empty!
* Lots of people who don't post often sent me music.
* Can't wait to do it again sometime next year!

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Nice to hear your thoughts and process of the tracks there.

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Enjoying the mix, that penis track is absurd though gotta say - my gf says she would be embarrassed to dance to that one at a show. An instrumental version would be cool. Thanks so much for including me! It was fun to approach making some stuff a little bit differently than I usually do.

I've also made my track available for anyone who is interested, find it here: https://soundcloud.com/mehta/kyib


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Thanks for including one of my tracks and for the kind words Planar.

Really cool to get to know a bit more about the other artists in the mix too.

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Think i actually never told how good the mix is, so Planar gz, you made really good job.
Agree with you that maybe you could mix my and sinesnsnares tracks in opposite way but nevertheless it still sounds really really great.
Im really honored that you choose one of my tracks for this so thanks on that!


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Thanks for the kind words Planar and for including my track in the mix of course.
Hadn't expected it to be honest.


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Which is your track, Evert? I thought I'd made a note of all the artist names that differed from forum names, but you've slipped through the cracks somehow.

If anyone else notices a mistake with track names or artist names, then please let me know and I'll correct the TL on the first page and the post-mortem.

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Planar wrote:
Which is your track, Evert? I thought I'd made a note of all the artist names that differed from forum names, but you've slipped through the cracks somehow.


It's "Corrosive - In Flames".


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Ah! You've been given proper credit in the first post now :)

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Evert wrote:
Hadn't expected it to be honest.


Ow come on, it's one of the very best tracks in there !!! Wonderfully crafted track.
I still need to get back to it some day, btw. Still wanna try that remix.
I just got side-tracked because I'm trying to finish one of my own projects at the moment,
and the only time I have spend on it was throwing out stuff I wouldn't use
and trying to improve the mix a bit (which is no longer necessary now you've got it mastered).

I should give it some more love instead of being in pain over my own track.
It would be excellent to clear my head, so to say.

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