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 Post subject: Re: Polyrhythms
PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 6:00 am 
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Modern Elektron (Analog Four, Octatrack and I assume the Analog Rytm too) gear can easily do tracks with different amounts of steps. Really fast and easy to set up. A bit expensive of course.

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 Post subject: Re: Polyrhythms
PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 6:38 pm 
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yes, a bit pricey for me. I'm looking for something roughly 500-700 dollars (used or new) and with a nice and simple workflow. I'm certainly not a fan of samplers.

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Arturia BeatStep is cheap. 99 euro still unreleased.

I think in your price range I would save a bit more or look for a used Doepfer MAQ/16. They are 1K new or about 700 used. Also a less common doepfer is the RegelWerk. It can do sequencing and act as a control surface. I think a MAQ/16 would be a good bet. I would like one as a second sequencer/ control surface for my Cirklon.

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 Post subject: Re: Polyrhythms
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Oh yeah another option is MidiBox @ucapps
You need to order the parts and build it yourself. If I recall correctly reading it cost a fellow about 450 for parts. Of course he still had to do the assembly of it. It may be possible to have somebody build one for you. I believe they have a list of builders. Not a 100% sure of that. You need to investigate a little bit. It seems to me that it is a bit of a community and they don't want somebody coming in and trying to exploit the work they have done by commercializing it. I think the code is open source you you can add to it. As well the actual hardware is ocustomized per box. If I did have a. Cirklon I would seriously look into these.

It's another option.

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 Post subject: Re: Polyrhythms
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Thanks UN!T. I will check them!

The Doepfer MAQ/16 is an option, since I read that Silent Servant use one of these to sequence his polyrhythms. a little pricey for me right now.

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 Post subject: Re: Polyrhythms
PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:50 pm 
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I sorted out a cool little trick last nite. I will leave it here in case anybody else
wants to do something like this. I wanted to use Tonys Pulses but I wanted to fire them from my sequencer rather than ableton. So I had to figure it out. I came up with this.

Create external instrument in Ableton. Set up midi routing. Drop in a file. Turn off loop on the midi clip. This is important other wise it will loop and fill in the empty beats after it loops round.
Set the bar duration to either 1 or 2 bars equal to the midi clip. Turn on record on the hardware sequencer(but not play so standby) Press play on the midi clip. Midi clip plays hardware sequencer records midi data. Stop ableton & recording of the sequencer. Edit last step to correct duration. Example 28:3, I set 2 bars out, then set last step to 28. Label and save file. Done. Now I have Euclidian patterns in the hw sequencer.
Unfortunately it's not an actual generator. Still it works quite well. At least it seems to as far as I can tell. Fun!

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comunion wrote:
Thanks UN!T. I will check them!

The Doepfer MAQ/16 is an option, since I read that Silent Servant use one of these to sequence his polyrhythms. a little pricey for me right now.


No problem mate. Yeah Silent Servant has one. I know J.Mills used one previous too. I am sure there are some other well known techno producers who use it too. I forget at the moment. A guy I know said he would have one for each piece of gear if he could. That is good. The Cirklon and Manakin Schrittmacher are out of your price range, beyond that I can't think of too much else. If I come up with something else I will post it. I think in your price range the MAQ/16 is the best option.

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 Post subject: Re: Polyrhythms
PostPosted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:47 pm 
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Man, I'd love to get into polyrhythmic stuff a bit more but I just don't know how it fits in with my music.

I have experimented with a 4/4 kickdrum and deliberately left out any snare/clap on the 2&4 as I feel this 'ties' the groove up into making you think it's 4/4 based ( so you expect 4/4 rhythms ) without the snare or clap on the 2 & 4, you just have a 4/4 kick and anything can work under that. It can get a bit chaotic if you over-do it, or maybe I'm just shit at it, either way though, apart from the obvious polyrhythmic patterns, once it gets too experimental, I lose the plot and groove.

Sometimes my music passages end up a different cycling pattern in the sequencer. I was doing a slower/ambient style thing earlier and the sequencer was looping over from bar 1 to 9 and my chord sequence starts on bar 1, ends at the end of bar 6 and starts again on bar 7. So 6 bars, ( or a 6/8 time ) for the riff against the 4/4 time of everything else. I don't actually want this, it just came out that way and it's proving a pain as to which way I treat the drum rhythms. Ie: Do I start new rhythm patterns on the 7th bar or the 9th?


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 Post subject: Re: Polyrhythms
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i think that part is up to you- do you want the song in full 6/8 time, or do you want the "conflict" of 4/4 and 6/8(ie polyrhythm)?


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 Post subject: Re: Polyrhythms
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Just tried it yesterday and today, really great to alter the vibe/drive in a track

Haven't done alot with polyrhythms up to now ofc but I say some elements like a 2nd hihat and a chord in a different rhythm is enough to conflict harmonically with the rest of elements in 4/4

It also feels like polyrhythms are used quite often in certain techno

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 Post subject: Re: Polyrhythms
PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 9:27 am 
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comunion wrote:
Thanks UN!T. I will check them!

The Doepfer MAQ/16 is an option, since I read that Silent Servant use one of these to sequence his polyrhythms. a little pricey for me right now.


If all goes well, I'm checking one out today and might have it in the studio by tonight.
If I do, I'll get back on the Doepfer with some more user info...

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 Post subject: Re: Polyrhythms
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Hades wrote:
I'll get back on the Doepfer with some more user info...


that would be nice!

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 Post subject: Re: Polyrhythms
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Cheers Bkwsk.. That reminds me of this wicked video.. explains how unlinking opens your mind mannnnnn :D

Probably the best video made about Ableton ever. Worth all of Tom C osm's put together haha

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 Post subject: Re: Polyrhythms
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i have tested this today !!

4/4 + 6/8




enjoy !

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 Post subject: Re: Polyrhythms
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sergiobR1 wrote:
i have tested this today !!

4/4 + 6/8




enjoy !


I like this a lot!

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 Post subject: Re: Polyrhythms
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So I've got polyrhythms down but I'm looking for some inspiration. Could people post some tunes with real nice polrhythms please and thanks in advance.


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Maybe this is a repost, if so i'm sry. It's a pretty lengthy track but the polyrhythm drives it all the way imo.


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Maybe this is a repost, if so i'm sry. It's a pretty lengthy track but the polyrhythm drives it all the way imo.



This is exactly the stuff I'm looking for. Cheers man.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2014 12:58 am 
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Hepta wrote:
Maybe this is a repost, if so i'm sry. It's a pretty lengthy track but the polyrhythm drives it all the way imo.



when my oldest daughter was about 3 years old, she used to say whenever I put on a techno record
"but daddy, that's music for boys !!"
and on the rare occasions that I put on a house record :
"yes daddy, now that's music for girls"

the above EQD track was the first techno track she started dancing to immediately... :D

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 Post subject: Re: Polyrhythms
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Sadko wrote:
So I've got polyrhythms down but I'm looking for some inspiration. Could people post some tunes with real nice polrhythms please and thanks in advance.


this classic :


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