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 Post subject: Re: Creating heavy heavy heavy techno sub bass lines!
PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2014 6:53 am 
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I try to make any low end thing mono.

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 Post subject: Re: Creating heavy heavy heavy techno sub bass lines!
PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2014 7:14 am 
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Alume wrote:
I try to make any low end thing mono.


that's what i also do. But i find it sounds weird sometimes on the VerbBass. I do it anyway since it's on the low end part of the spectrum. hum.


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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2014 1:34 pm 
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LaurentOrchard wrote:
Do you guys thin down the stero image of the reverb/kick in mono since it is bass or do you let it spacey?



In the example I mono'd the whole shebang.
But normally I just mono from 200hz down with bx control.
I could have made my own splitter to only mono the bass with ableton racks, but I was working quickly and couldn't be assed.

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 Post subject: Re: Creating heavy heavy heavy techno sub bass lines!
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Lost to the Void wrote:
LaurentOrchard wrote:
Do you guys thin down the stero image of the reverb/kick in mono since it is bass or do you let it spacey?



In the example I mono'd the whole shebang.
But normally I just mono from 200hz down with bx control.
I could have made my own splitter to only mono the bass with ableton racks, but I was working quickly and couldn't be assed.




That's what i tought and what i'm usually doing. Thanks! ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Creating heavy heavy heavy techno sub bass lines!
PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2014 2:34 am 
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Since this is a thread about heavy bass, i've got a question for you bros. I've heard many tracks that have bass that is generated through a live recording of some sort, a door slamming, or something hitting the ground, and that being processed through some sort of means in order to generate a MASSIVE bass. Just curious if you guys have any insight on this method?

Here's an example. It's almost like a very very low rumble, and that 'door slam' rumble is used throughout the rest of the track as the offbeat sub seems like.

0:00-0:23



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Really no different to any other type of bass

Take bassy door slam sample.

compress

Filter out high frequencies.......

You can pretty much apply this method to anything.

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 Post subject: Re: Creating heavy heavy heavy techno sub bass lines!
PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2014 3:33 am 
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Lost to the Void wrote:
Really no different to any other type of bass

Take bassy door slam sample.

compress

Filter out high frequencies.......

You can pretty much apply this method to anything.


Best I could do, sounds kind of... There?



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To guys suggesting using reverb on the kick, whats a nice setting for this?
Say I take a typical 909, is the ableton reverb good enough to create that subby reverb kick sound?
Or is there better vst's

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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2014 2:01 pm 
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I kind of hate abletons verb, but I dont have any alternative.

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Alume wrote:
I kind of hate abletons verb, but I dont have any alternative.


Sometimes I like it, but for some reasons I hate it with the kick drum.
Im probably not very good with controlling reverbs that are in the low frequencies,
was wondering if there was any nice alternative.

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 Post subject: Re: Creating heavy heavy heavy techno sub bass lines!
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its just always the same verb, I mean it vibes all the sounds in a sort of the same way. Which is kind of logical, but man i dont know.

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Alume wrote:
its just always the same verb, I mean it vibes all the sounds in a sort of the same way. Which is kind of logical, but man i dont know.

Damn just checked your soundcloud.
Loving it man.

How did you go about the sub of initiation and bamiawu song?

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Senko wrote:
Lost to the Void wrote:
Really no different to any other type of bass

Take bassy door slam sample.

compress

Filter out high frequencies.......

You can pretty much apply this method to anything.


Best I could do, sounds kind of... There?



Yeah that will work, stick a nice punchy kick over it, make sure you low cut hard from 30hz down on your sub.
You might also want to control it further with volume shaping to enhance the attack to follow your kick, or not, but you`ve got the basic idea, how you fit it in the mix is the real trick.

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Macca wrote:
To guys suggesting using reverb on the kick, whats a nice setting for this?
Say I take a typical 909, is the ableton reverb good enough to create that subby reverb kick sound?
Or is there better vst's


Yesm abelton reverb is perfectly fine, it just has a lot of controls which tend to intimidate people, but you can get perfectly good verbs with it.

I refer once again to the ALL ableton subby kick tutorial I posted in this thread already

https://ia902508.us.archive.org/26/item ... 20Demo.jpg

Here is picture showing what I did, and here is the sound I made with it



You can increase the amount of subby reverb kick from this example by changing the ratio of reverbed kick to dry kick, and by changing the EQ to be more subby by reducing the top end with EQ and then turning it all up a litt.e.

I can do another over the top subby kick and reverb demo if people want, for more dark heavy stuff.

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Lost to the Void wrote:
Senko wrote:
Lost to the Void wrote:
Really no different to any other type of bass

Take bassy door slam sample.

compress

Filter out high frequencies.......

You can pretty much apply this method to anything.


Best I could do, sounds kind of... There?



Yeah that will work, stick a nice punchy kick over it, make sure you low cut hard from 30hz down on your sub.
You might also want to control it further with volume shaping to enhance the attack to follow your kick, or not, but you`ve got the basic idea, how you fit it in the mix is the real trick.


Thanks.

Since this clip i've been doing a lot of field recording and then throwing them into granular re-synthesizing modules. Works wonders for the most fucked up bass sounds.


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Really something to keep in mind when dealing with bass.

If you want something bigger and more bassy, remember to work subtractively.

Don`t turn up the bass, turn down the top end and mid, then raise the overall volume.

this applies to individual elements, and the mix as a whole in terms of how sounds relate to each other in level and EQ

Might be stating the obvious but it really is the "secret" to bassy shit.

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Lost to the Void wrote:
Really something to keep in mind when dealing with bass.

If you want something bigger and more bassy, remember to work subtractively.

Don`t turn up the bass, turn down the top end and mid, then raise the overall volume.

this applies to individual elements, and the mix as a whole in terms of how sounds relate to each other in level and EQ

Might be stating the obvious but it really is the "secret" to bassy shit.


Damn I feel stupid now.
Been trying to avoid raising any my eq's and didnt think of doing it this way.
Cheers man solid advice.

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 Post subject: Re: Creating heavy heavy heavy techno sub bass lines!
PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2014 11:48 pm 
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Lost to the Void wrote:
Yesm abelton reverb is perfectly fine, it just has a lot of controls which tend to intimidate people, but you can get perfectly good verbs with it.

I refer once again to the ALL ableton subby kick tutorial I posted in this thread already

https://ia902508.us.archive.org/26/item ... 20Demo.jpg

Here is picture showing what I did, and here is the sound I made with it



You can increase the amount of subby reverb kick from this example by changing the ratio of reverbed kick to dry kick, and by changing the EQ to be more subby by reducing the top end with EQ and then turning it all up a litt.e.

I can do another over the top subby kick and reverb demo if people want, for more dark heavy stuff.


Just wanted to thank you for going to the trouble to do this, I recreated it using the images and it was really helpful, not my normal kind of sound but gave me some ideas of things to try and ways to do things :D


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Yeah it`s not my normal sound obviously but I wanted to do something neutral and generic for the demonstration.
These basics can be twisted and extrapolated obivously

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 Post subject: Re: Creating heavy heavy heavy techno sub bass lines!
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Looks like ive been massively overthinking the reverbed kick bass method. Not sure how much and how often im going to use it but it never occurred to me to simply divide the whole track in roughly 3 sections to make this work frequencywise.

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