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 Post subject: Achieving those white noise rides?
PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 1:13 am 
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Hi, everyone

I ve been trying to achieve those noisy rides, by applying lots of reverb and delay on common ride samples. but I don't seem to get that dirt and noise feeling in the rides.(it feels sometimes like a white noise)

I know these track has been posted a lot in this forum. but it has pretty interesting elements
min. 2.26
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IrHzrg4qdQ[/youtube]

its the only the track that comes to mind right now. but lots of producers in techno use that ride technique

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 Post subject: Re: Achieving those white noise rides?
PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 1:57 am 
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I really struggle with this too. I can get all my percussive elements working well together but as soon as I try to get my rides going it all goes tits-up.
I run my rides through D16 Devastor but still I can't get that piercing sound.

I'm sure brothers yard uses white noise that is gated or side chained???

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 Post subject: Re: Achieving those white noise rides?
PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 2:36 am 
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Pelecaras wrote:
I really struggle with this too. I can get all my percussive elements working well together but as soon as I try to get my rides going it all goes tits-up.
I run my rides through D16 Devastor but still I can't get that piercing sound.

I'm sure brothers yard uses white noise that is gated or side chained???


Yeah, but I think the Brother Yard rides are more raw in terms of sound. this one is purposely processed in some way.


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[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IrHzrg4qdQ[/youtube]


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try using FM synthesis to make your rides and hats
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Search Phantom Distortion in subsekt.

Not sure if its what you looking for though. I would explain it to you but I have to prepare a presentation right now.

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 Post subject: Re: Achieving those white noise rides?
PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 4:32 pm 
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You could use white noise.

I tend to generate sounds from synths and add noise to the path, either with the synth itself if it has a noise oscillator, or with an effect that generates noise (stuff like abletons erosion).
Roll some of the very high end off to soften the sound a little, and bobs your mothers brother.

Also good to use is air hose noises, hydraulic release valves, steam valves, or record something at home, blow air through a straw with a bit of sponge in the end.
Get creative, this is techno.

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If you have Ableton, try putting a vocoder after some hats or rides, whatever. The default patch ads noise & you can alter shit significantly with the formant , x,y , dry/wet to keep some of original signal etc...

Other vocoderz a probably do the same.

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909 ride w/ some processing & verb to taste. Done.

Why make shit so complicated?


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Because this isn`t about 909 rides it`s about white noise rides.

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Ploy wrote:
909 ride w/ some processing & verb to taste. Done.

Why make shit so complicated?


The problem with Techno in one short statement!


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 Post subject: Re: Achieving those white noise rides?
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ashley BORG wrote:
Ploy wrote:
909 ride w/ some processing & verb to taste. Done.

Why make shit so complicated?


The problem with Techno in one short statement!


It's not a problem for me. I like the sound of the 909 ride on 1/8ths. Adds some pace to a track, gives it that driving feeling.


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 Post subject: Re: Achieving those white noise rides?
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Lost to the Void wrote:
Because this isn`t about 909 rides it`s about white noise rides.


I guess it's possible to dick around forever with various sources of noise to try to recreate "dat ride" sound and never get it right because the artist one is try to copy used something else. How do we know it's white noise for sure? Could be pink noise thru a high pass or it could be something else entirely...

The 909 ride is just another alternative to try...or keep fucking around and keep getting the same disappointing results because it's the wrong source to begin with. I am not saying the 909 is the end all and be all but it's certainly quite commonly used by many artists.

And as the OP said he had heard this type of ride in other tracks so maybe that's a clue.


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I will add. Using straight noise be it white or pink is not going to get you very far. What you will likely wind up with is a hihat. Using a fast attack and fast decay will produce a closed hat type of sound (Tic) increase the decay time and you will end up with a (Tttsss) type sound or an open hat. A ride sound is not a Tic or Ttsss type of sound, its more like (Ting). There is a metallic or ringing type of sound quality to a ride cymbal that needs to be achieved in synthesis and it would be helpful to keep that in mind when trying to design a cymbal from scratch. At the very least one would want 2 oscillators. Beyond that, I would look at bit reduction to achieve a lo-fi type of quality. Maybe go down to 12bits. Play with the pitch.


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707 ride is good to0 and the LD one in ableton pack that i still dont know what it stands for, LD ride and open hat are good

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soulstar606 wrote:
707 ride is good to0 and the LD one in ableton pack that i still dont know what it stands for, LD ride and open hat are good


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Ploy wrote:
Lost to the Void wrote:
Because this isn`t about 909 rides it`s about white noise rides.


I guess it's possible to dick around forever with various sources of noise to try to recreate "dat ride" sound and never get it right because the artist one is try to copy used something else. How do we know it's white noise for sure? Could be pink noise thru a high pass or it could be something else entirely...

The 909 ride is just another alternative to try...or keep fucking around and keep getting the same disappointing results because it's the wrong source to begin with. I am not saying the 909 is the end all and be all but it's certainly quite commonly used by many artists.

And as the OP said he had heard this type of ride in other tracks so maybe that's a clue.


White noise rides are kinda the current go to cliche that took over from 909 cliche really.
It is literally just chained white noise on a lot of the run of the mill berghein tracks that use it. Sometimes it's samples of vinyl noise too.
They all work in adding that final drive when you don't know what to add next to push things forward.
White noise, crackles, tape hiss etc are just the new 909 sounds.

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 Post subject: Re: Achieving those white noise rides?
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If you have ableton try this:
1. Get any 909 ride
2. Slap live's vocoder on it
3. put it on 50% wet/dry

TBH it just sounds like white noise layered under.


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 Post subject: Re: Achieving those white noise rides?
PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2015 8:42 pm 
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Personally, I don't think there is a white noise layer under the ride, I think it is a 909 ride that has some kind of processing, i tried some stuff but I haven't achieve decent results.

Here its another example of those noisy rides, so you can have a deeper look
min 3.37

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7g5XF8h_Do


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 Post subject: Re: Achieving those white noise rides?
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Ploy wrote:
Beyond that, I would look at bit reduction to achieve a lo-fi type of quality. Maybe go down to 12bits. Play with the pitch.


I reckon it's bit reduction on a x0x sound, try Abletons redux tool. Erosion might work as well. Even better, don't imitate it at all and find your own variation on it.

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