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 Post subject: Re: Is this minimal ? .. is it bad doctor ?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 6:29 pm 
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intrusav wrote:
More Mike Parker? Hahaha!
I think minimal techno as a genre just took over where microhouse came from. The 2 are interchangeable in my book although minimal was ultimately less interesting ..


This really.
Microhouse became minimal or MNML, and then influenced techno. IT was kinda cheesy and obvious.
Blip-de-Bloop.

Minimalist music however, is something completely different, and can be any genre.

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 Post subject: Re: Is this minimal ? .. is it bad doctor ?
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Prophän wrote:
Hey guys, I see some people here, and in the techno community in general, talking shit about minimal techno, so just for the sake of clarification, when you say minimal techno, I assume that you talk about . ., boris brejcha etc.. that kind of stuff, but what about some artists like developer, regis, surgeon, sleeparchive etc.. those sound as minimal as it can be in my book. but maybe they don't fit into the "minimal techno" label, maybe some one can enlighten me.

And here's an example track to illustrate what kind of minimal I'm talking about (the "good" one).



That`s just techno, very classic sounding in fact, I wouldn`t call it minimal or minimalist.

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I always thought minimal referred to the bad Villalobos copies of the early 2000s? (I always thought that and microhouse was the same?) Minimal techno is the stripped back raw sounds starting with Robert Hood and Plastikman (Plastikman is maybe not so raw, but it had few elements and was loopy and trippy and oh god what happened to .?!) if you ask me.



This...
It started off quite interesting.

You could probably call this track a "classic" and a good marker of the end of the Halcyon days of Microhouse and MNML.



It all got very predictable and cliche after this.

Even Whoretits early foray in to this with DE9:Closer to the Edit, was kinda awesome. He just lost his way in a sea of drugs, sake bars, vip bottle service, and DJing in trunks on a beach.

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Lost to the Void wrote:
That`s just techno, very classic sounding in fact, I wouldn`t call it minimal or minimalist.


Okay so i'm still at starting point, out of words to describe it, guess i'll stick to bleepy techno.. Need a translation for locals to get it too :lol:

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I still think it doesn't matter much in 2017... When was the last time someone organized a party where they actually advertised something like "Minimal techno party", 10 years ago?


Just play good techno (including minimal if you wish) and something else too, if you wanna get adventurous. I don't think it's a good idea to be a very specific genre DJ. Maybe if you're world famous and can capitalize on it, but if you're a local and relatively unknown, you probably wanna spread out a bit, play techno, house, disco, funk, hip hop etc. Assuming you like those of course. If you only play minimal techno getting gigs will be difficult, except maybe in Berlin.

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Actually this is aimed at other techno djs not at the public, I often get asked what kind of techno I ike to play as it is important when setting the time table for example, and the best answer I found yet to this day is giving a track, which is not optimal, I think most of you missed my point here so let's just leave it that way

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Prophän wrote:
Actually this is aimed at other techno djs not at the public, I often get asked what kind of techno I ike to play as it is important when setting the time table for example, and the best answer I found yet to this day is giving a track, which is not optimal, I think most of you missed my point here so let's just leave it that way


Play many kinds of techno? Not trying to be a smartass here, I just honestly think it's a good idea to have many kinds of weapons in your arsenal.

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I do in fact play many kinds of techno(from atmospheric to acid going through birmingham and berlin), but try to keep a certain form of coherence and consistency, otherwise i'm just ruining it for the next djs, as we do full techno nights from 10pm to 5pm

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Prophän wrote:
I do in fact play many kinds of techno(from atmospheric to acid going through birmingham and berlin), but try to keep a certain form of coherence and consistency, otherwise i'm just ruining it for the next djs, as we do full techno nights from 10pm to 5pm


In that case I'd still not use the word minimal much when marketing yourself, cos it's not so clearly defined, not en vogue atm and can mean many things, from old school Robert Hood tracks to mid 00's full on party anthems (VERY different from a Hood track), you probably have to explain it anyway, which kinda goes against what a simple genre name is useful for.

Similarly, I'm more of a house guy and really hate the use of the term deep house nowadays. It used to mean something like a record from Kerri Chandler, Moodymann, Larry Heard or Theo Parrish, nowadays it's something very different. I rarely use the term anymore myself.

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 Post subject: Re: Is this minimal ? .. is it bad doctor ?
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Speaking of genre labelling.... Kinetic Techno?!!

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 Post subject: Re: Is this minimal ? .. is it bad doctor ?
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Proper minimal techno IMO:

Mika Vainio (RIP, one of very few characters within the techno scene who was a real artist. Sorry to be snobbish about that)
Wolfgang Voigt/Mike Ink at his Studio 1 days (obviously)
Daniel Bell/DBX (infused minimal sensibility with a housey funk without getting silly)
Robert Hood (pre 1998, Minimal Nation is THE minimal techno album. Nothing comes close in sheer rawness. The antidote to overproduced sentimental Plastikman stuff)
Thomas Brinkmann (the most underrated techno artist ever)
Kotai/Mo/EMD (ruled the 90s 'arty' techno underground in Berlin outside of the standard rave scene)

There's one off projects here and there, but that's more or less it. The 00's minimal techno was alright, but that's was mostly tech-house, really.

Minimalist music is exploring the space where you don't know whether what you hear is boring og completely encapsulating the essence of something profound. Or maybe the sensation where the musical experience becomes something other than derived from basic "human" sentiment, although that of course is impossible in principle. So yeah, some of it walks a fine line of being the emperor's new clothes, but if you don't go there what's the point.


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