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Re: Why don't girls like techno?

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 11:02 am
by chava
Please reconsider your marxist (or rightwing for that matter) views that societal structures primary evolves around power and economy. Of course they do, but culture is the primary factor. This reverting into some sort of old-school marxist base-superstructure is too one-sided.

And, yes we are all fucked. As are the 1%s as most of them are old anyways. Yet, the world is in many ways doing much better than ever. Matter of perspective I guess.

Re: Why don't girls like techno?

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 11:33 am
by Hades
chava wrote:Please reconsider your marxist (or rightwing for that matter) views that societal structures primary evolves around power and economy. Of course they do, but culture is the primary factor. This reverting into some sort of old-school marxist base-superstructure is too one-sided.

And, yes we are all fucked. As are the 1%s as most of them are old anyways. Yet, the world is in many ways doing much better than ever. Matter of perspective I guess.
are you addressing me now ?

Re: Why don't girls like techno?

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 12:22 pm
by chava
Hades wrote:
chava wrote:Please reconsider your marxist (or rightwing for that matter) views that societal structures primary evolves around power and economy. Of course they do, but culture is the primary factor. This reverting into some sort of old-school marxist base-superstructure is too one-sided.

And, yes we are all fucked. As are the 1%s as most of them are old anyways. Yet, the world is in many ways doing much better than ever. Matter of perspective I guess.
are you addressing me now ?
Nope, maybe a little bit. Money

Re: Why don't girls like techno?

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 1:52 pm
by Hades
nah, that's all cool.
Just didn't completely understand where you were coming from if you were addressing me completely.

Re: Why don't girls like techno?

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:47 pm
by Lost to the Void
chava wrote:Yet, the world is in many ways doing much better than ever. Matter of perspective I guess.

Yeah, the perspective from orbit is not so good.
Make sure your kids can swim.


youtu.be/qHE0n5c6-6g

Re: Why don't girls like techno?

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:10 pm
by chava
Hades wrote:nah, that's all cool.
Just didn't completely understand where you were coming from if you were addressing me completely.
I think I was supposed to write "Money is not everything" or something alike there, doh.

Re: Why don't girls like techno?

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:20 pm
by chava
Lost to the Void wrote:
Yeah, the perspective from orbit is not so good.
Make sure your kids can swim.
Climate change is so politically contentious and complex it is almost impossible to discuss rationally for us laymen.

Re: Why don't girls like techno?

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 4:46 pm
by Hades
chava wrote: I think I was supposed to write "Money is not everything" or something alike there, doh.
Money is only a means to not having to worry about money.
(not sure if I translated that correctly)
If you don't have it, and you got money problems, you will worry about it day and/or night.
If you have too much of it, you will be in social layers of our society where it's usually never enough,
and you will start having all different kinds of shit worries related to money which you'd never ever have if you just have enough to have a decent, comfortable life.

Re: Why don't girls like techno?

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 3:05 am
by The_G
chava wrote:Please reconsider your marxist (or rightwing for that matter) views that societal structures primary evolves around power and economy. Of course they do, but culture is the primary factor. This reverting into some sort of old-school marxist base-superstructure is too one-sided.
The problem is, "culture" is often whatever people with power or an agenda want it to be. For example, in the 80s and 90s, Suharto, used to claim that democracy was unsuited to Indonesia because it didn't match "Asian culture." Now that Indonesia has been a democracy for 20 years, and is surprisingly stable, given how poor and chaotic it is, we can see Suharto's claim for the self-serving bullshit that it was--a corrupt dictator using culture to justify keeping his hand in the cookie jar.

Which isn't to say that culture is fake or immaterial. It's not. Some aspects of Western democracy, especially the hyper individualized Anglo-American version, does seem poorly suited to countries like Indonesia, where social ties are thick, rights are usually defined in group rather than individual terms, and there are no expectations of privacy. But these elements of Indonesian culture are really just power relations that are institutionalized and replicated over time, most tracing back to the Netherlands Indies, but crystalized to the point where they seem natural (even if they are historically constructed). It's a tool as much as it is a "thing."

Basically societies are complex and any frame that reduces them to one variable, be it class or culture, doesn't fit the reality. But they each have their role.
chava wrote:And, yes we are all fucked. As are the 1%s as most of them are old anyways. Yet, the world is in many ways doing much better than ever. Matter of perspective I guess.
Now this I agree with. I don't tend to think things get better or worse, just different. We're always screwed by someone, and there are always assholes.

Re: Why don't girls like techno?

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 4:54 am
by Lost to the Void
chava wrote:
Lost to the Void wrote:
Yeah, the perspective from orbit is not so good.
Make sure your kids can swim.
Climate change is so politically contentious and complex it is almost impossible to discuss rationally for us laymen.
I think polticians would like to to be politically contentious, but it really isn`t, and laymen can discuss it fairly rationally, the science has been made relatively plain to the laymen (who is actually interested) for some time.

I mean you only have to stand on one street on one road for one hour in central london, watch all the cars driving past, look at all that shit spilling out the exhausts, then picture the whole city, all capital cities, all cars, all factories etc etc To do that basic thought exercise and not expect it to effect the environment in some detrimental way is to be a little wonky in the head.

It`s fairly simple maths to look at like, fossil fuels, which are essentially millenia of trapped carbon suddenly being released in to the atmosphere in a very short time whilst all the carbon sinks are simultaneously being destroyed, by deforestation, ocean polllution, fishing etc

I mean, I`m not pointing at you here, but when I hear the average denier spout the same old non-science/non-sense that has been repeatedly and categorically proven wrong, such as volcano emissions etc, it seems similar behavior to an alcoholic, lying upside down in a pile of empty bottles, head bleeding, saying they have no problem.

Re: Why don't girls like techno?

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 8:43 am
by The_G
Yeah it's not contentious at all in the scientific community, unless the question is how much or how fast the climate is changing due to human activity.

Like Lost said, it's contentious among politicians because many of them have interests, political or economic, in the industries that contribute to anthropomorphic climate change.

Re: Why don't girls like techno?

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 7:22 pm
by [wesellboxes]
Hades wrote:You're not fucking broke, you said so yourself you made sure you had a decently paying job. :D
I've been unemployed for the last 12 months and not received any state support, I'm broke. What I said previously was if you're going to do a job for 40 hours a week, which most of us are enforced into, then you'd be as well undertaking the requirements to maximize your earnings as you're stuck in a building regardless and it actually gets easier in terms of duties as you climb the metaphorical ladder.

Re: Why don't girls like techno?

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 7:25 pm
by [wesellboxes]
Lost to the Void wrote:Loads and loads of policy comes from think tanks, both governmental and financial.
They do indeed and I'm not disputing the process you correctly point out. My point is the findings of Deloitte and their ilk, rather than the ramblings 4Chan, will be influencing these think think by a margin that is incomprehensible.

Re: Why don't girls like techno?

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 11:20 pm
by Lost to the Void
Oh god yeah, I'm pretty sure none of these think tanks are surfing 4chan to gleen some Machiavellian plot ideas.... Maybe some furry\plushy? porn or something...
But there are influential right wing (and left wing) think tanks that are influential to some of these online portals such as Breitbart. And in some cases some of these people who themselves become influencers are embraced by think tanks and invited in for talks and so on. It's an altogether creepy affair.

Re: Why don't girls like techno?

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 7:46 am
by [wesellboxes]
Lost to the Void wrote:But there are influential right wing (and left wing) think tanks that are influential to some of these online portals such as Breitbart. And in some cases some of these people who themselves become influencers are embraced by think tanks and invited in for talks and so on.
There's no doubt both Brexit and Trump shat up the powers that be in Leicester City winning the league/what the fuck is going on here type of affair. I think for a while the hegemony were genuinely worried about this as they neither saw it coming and it was something outside their realm of understanding. I remember a very large piece in The Observer about Mercer, Bannon etc painting them as James Bond baddies with the world at their digital finger tips.

And then came the UK election where the Tories had ploughed millions into these exact tactics and lost their majority. While Trump has worked out fantastically for major corps that want to build pipelines through forests and melt the ice caps. Not because Trump supports this, that's immaterial, it's because he's a major, major distraction for all opposition. Centerists, left wing, environmentalists are either discussing his latest Tweet or if they aren't they're finding their communication far less effective because the rest of the world are discussing his Twitter account.

You're always going to have these air pockets and moments of turbulence, probably more frequently as things like tech advances more and more rapidly, but overall indices like the Dow Jones, FTSE just rumbles on and that is the primary motivation for those in charge of this planet.

Re: Why don't girls like techno?

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:01 am
by The_G
Lost to the Void wrote: But there are influential right wing (and left wing) think tanks that are influential to some of these online portals such as Breitbart. And in some cases some of these people who themselves become influencers are embraced by think tanks and invited in for talks and so on. It's an altogether creepy affair.
In this case the connection is more direct. Robert Mercer has a large ownership stake in Breitbart and is widely known to set the editorial direction; and the Mercer Family Foundation, run by his daughter, funds the Heritage Foundation and Heartland Institute, two prominent right-wing US think tanks. So it isn't even a case of one influencing the other; it's a case of having the same money man, and both shilling his interests and viewpoints to different audiences.

(Mercer also apparently donated a shit ton of money to the Brexit campaign.)

Re: Why don't girls like techno?

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:49 am
by chava
Replace your bad capitalist villains with George Soros and you all sound exactly like the alt-right.

Re: Why don't girls like techno?

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:55 am
by chava
Lost to the Void wrote:
It`s fairly simple maths to look at like, fossil fuels, which are essentially millenia of trapped carbon suddenly being released in to the atmosphere in a very short time whilst all the carbon sinks are simultaneously being destroyed, by deforestation, ocean polllution, fishing etc

I mean, I`m not pointing at you here, but when I hear the average denier spout the same old non-science/non-sense that has been repeatedly and categorically proven wrong, such as volcano emissions etc, it seems similar behavior to an alcoholic, lying upside down in a pile of empty bottles, head bleeding, saying they have no problem.
It'd be stupid to deny climate change, and also the anthropogenic element of it. But how the climate works is no easy matter. There's much more to it that fossil fuels for instance.

In the 70s the consensus was that the planet was getting cooler.

Re: Why don't girls like techno?

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:56 am
by [wesellboxes]
The_G wrote:In this case the connection is more direct. Robert Mercer has a large ownership stake in Breitbart and is widely known to set the editorial direction;
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... -democracy

Here's the article I was reference earlier, you may find it interesting reading

Re: Why don't girls like techno?

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:57 am
by [wesellboxes]
chava wrote:Replace your bad capitalist villains with George Soros and you all sound exactly like the alt-right.
You should probably read more and expand your references points then.