Re: Why don't girls like techno?
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 6:05 pm
I think it might be your area. Where I am it's always a pretty good ratio, and most of the crowd know who they're seeing.
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What happens if she hasn't got her hair tied back?RWise wrote: But seeing a girl with her hair tied back, completely lost in the music bumps them up in points for me.
Nah if she aint got her hair tied back shes a 0/10.jordanneke wrote:What happens if she hasn't got her hair tied back?RWise wrote: But seeing a girl with her hair tied back, completely lost in the music bumps them up in points for me.
What happens if she has, but isn't completely lost in the music?
What happens if she has both conditions, but in the process of getting lost, she loses her hair tie?
What about if she's recovering from chemo and music is her only escape, but due to the hair loss, she can't get any bonus points from you?
Do you have any other parameters for scoring sexy females at techno events? If so, please detail here.
Just watched that clip (had seen it some time before but no idea when)terryfalafel wrote:Yeah, kind of revelatory isn't he!jordanneke wrote:WHY IN GOD'S NAME AM I JUST DISCOVERING DOUG STANHOPE?
The clip I normally point people towards as a measure of whether they'll like his comedy or not is the 'Myspace Peadophiles' bit on YouTube.
jordanneke wrote:So, what was the conclusion? Why don't girls like techno?
Why is it mostly men into beer and beer festivals?
Why can't I find something in my house without my wife's help?
How many clothes/shoes do women need?
Why is it weird to have a man working in a creche?
Why are rom-coms targeted at women?
How come every time I pick a film it can't have an alien/aliens in it?
Why don't black people like death metal?
jordanneke wrote:What happens if she hasn't got her hair tied back?RWise wrote: But seeing a girl with her hair tied back, completely lost in the music bumps them up in points for me.
What happens if she has, but isn't completely lost in the music?
What happens if she has both conditions, but in the process of getting lost, she loses her hair tie?
What about if she's recovering from chemo and music is her only escape, but due to the hair loss, she can't get any bonus points from you?
Do you have any other parameters for scoring sexy females at techno events? If so, please detail here.
how are they supposed to instagram/facebook/whateverelse it for attention if they are being productive and locked away?Barfunkel wrote:Seriously though, I've always wondered why so very few women are into the production side of things? I can understand it more easily in rock and metal for example, where a stereotypical fellow rock musician/producer might think that you're an inferior musician because of your sex.
But in techno, nowadays, anyone can buy a DAW and plugins online, lock herself into the basement for 5 years, even get releases and stuff without ever having to interact with the potentially sexist other techno people. Until you want to play gigs your sex is completely meaningless (and even then being female can be an advantage, though I do understand why that can be a bad thing as well).
Because of this it's really difficult for me to understand why something like less than 5% (my guess) of techno producers are female. It's very easy to start if you already have a computer and an Internet account and you don't need to see anyone if you don't want.
The ones that are genuinely into, are into it and aren't whoring on social media to make sure EVERYONE knows theyre a 'female dj'...Barfunkel wrote:Seriously though, I've always wondered why so very few women are into the production side of things? I can understand it more easily in rock and metal for example, where a stereotypical fellow rock musician/producer might think that you're an inferior musician because of your sex.
But in techno, nowadays, anyone can buy a DAW and plugins online, lock herself into the basement for 5 years, even get releases and stuff without ever having to interact with the potentially sexist other techno people. Until you want to play gigs your sex is completely meaningless (and even then being female can be an advantage, though I do understand why that can be a bad thing as well).
Because of this it's really difficult for me to understand why something like less than 5% (my guess) of techno producers are female. It's very easy to start if you already have a computer and an Internet account and you don't need to see anyone if you don't want.
Also, if the wimminz want to "whore" themselves let them. The menz never get questioned aboout posting about being 'male DJs'RWise wrote:The ones that are genuinely into, are into it and aren't whoring on social media to make sure EVERYONE knows theyre a 'female dj'...Barfunkel wrote:Seriously though, I've always wondered why so very few women are into the production side of things? I can understand it more easily in rock and metal for example, where a stereotypical fellow rock musician/producer might think that you're an inferior musician because of your sex.
But in techno, nowadays, anyone can buy a DAW and plugins online, lock herself into the basement for 5 years, even get releases and stuff without ever having to interact with the potentially sexist other techno people. Until you want to play gigs your sex is completely meaningless (and even then being female can be an advantage, though I do understand why that can be a bad thing as well).
Because of this it's really difficult for me to understand why something like less than 5% (my guess) of techno producers are female. It's very easy to start if you already have a computer and an Internet account and you don't need to see anyone if you don't want.
Was there just a bump on this topic? I thought it had disappeared a month ago or so...StacieAnne wrote:First and foremost I think accessibility to into music production can be an unfathomably giant hurdle.
Before I started making music I was genuinely of the belief it was some kind of dark art. This is coming from a place and a time where it was more accessible than ever. There was a wealth of YouTube videos and books at my disposal but opening a DAW for the first time on your own can seem incredibly daunting.
It is a big piece of complicated, powerful software and you have no idea how to do anything on it. Alleviating the big first hurdle for anyone who wants to start making music is imperative.
Anyone can do anything they want (within reason) when they are given the tools to have are inspired to do so. I think if more females knew they *could* make music then there would be a greater uptake of it. In my opinion, it has never been earlier to become a producer.
Pretty much all of the magazines that are female-centric and aimed at girls don’t discuss anything other than clothes, shoes, makeup and hair. Why is that? Is that all females are interested in? I genuinely don’t think that is that case but when you are constantly lead down that path eventually you will follow it of your own accord as you don’t know any differently.
Now, that isn’t the fault of the girls who are reading that, it is the fault of society in general.
A very quick look on the Toys R Us site further confirms this, starting these unhelpful gender roles at an incredibly young age - there is is a Thomas & Friends TrackMaster Treasure Chase Set on sale, next to a Disney Princess Tea Trolley Set, there is a small boy playing with the trains and a little girl playing with the trolley set. This isn’t simply down to the fact that boys like trains and girls like tea sets, there isn’t a person on this earth who is born liking trains sets, they are taught to, by their parents but mostly by society (I count myself as one of the lucky ones who had a train set AND tea set)
Music production IS technical and if you haven’t been raised an environment that promotes technical ability in some way then making your way into music tech or any tech for that matter is going to be exponentially more challenging.
There are also a few incredibly unhelpful attitudes floating around in smallish parts of the industry, not all of it but from time to time I’ll see the old “Why are there no many female producers” meme out there on Twitter (because they don’t understand Logic OR Reason apparently) While I don’t think these memes are shared out of an inherently sexist attitude, they are CERTAINLY not helping address the disproportionate balance of male to female producers. People don’t think of the impact it might have before they choose to share such Tweets.
One of my ex-favourite producers (I flatly refuse to support anyone who has such an abhorrent attitude as Conforce) made a sexist comment about how Lady Starlight should stick to the nail art as she wasn’t very good at music.
Having seen Lady Starlight perform live twice in the last 2 years I can categorically call bullshit on that comment. She is fantastic at what she does and had the whole room jumping. She works alongside Surgeon, you know one of the most highly regarded techno artists there is.
When people who are big in the game, like Conforce come out with comments like that it feels like the industry is being catapulted back to the dark ages. He did receive a fair amount of backlash and people came out in droves in support of Lady Starlight but she is big in the game and has a wealth of support behind her.
What if that had been said to a young female who was just starting out in music tech? I can’t say it wouldn’t have have made me think twice about being involved in music technology. Young egos are fragile and need to be nurtured not shot down by unhelpful attitudes.
So what if a woman wants to use her looks as a 'weapon' to promote herself, what the fuck does it really matter. We all know that talent alone isn't a recipe for success.StacieAnne wrote:Also, if the wimminz want to "whore" themselves let them. The menz never get questioned aboout posting about being 'male DJs'RWise wrote:
The ones that are genuinely into, are into it and aren't whoring on social media to make sure EVERYONE knows theyre a 'female dj'...
n.b I will only refer to women as DJ's now and all men DJs as Male DJs. Hope that helps. Missed you cunts x
Hades wrote:jordanneke wrote:So, what was the conclusion? Why don't girls like techno?
Why is it mostly men into beer and beer festivals?
Why can't I find something in my house without my wife's help?
How many clothes/shoes do women need?
Why is it weird to have a man working in a creche?
Why are rom-coms targeted at women?
How come every time I pick a film it can't have an alien/aliens in it?
Why don't black people like death metal?
You made my day with this one Jordan !
I love a guy that makes observations,
just observations,
based on what he sees, and only then asks himself questions which might (or might not) bring in race or gender.
Why do we live in times where your questions are already judged as racist and/or sexist as soon as you make an observation ?
Back when I was still working nightshifts, I used to have a certain car rental company as a regular customer,
and 80% of the folks that got into trouble with their rented car/small truck were from a certain part of our population here in Belgium (I'm trying to say this as vague as possible). I always wondered why ?
But if I would be more specific I would get called names that have nothing to do with who I am or what I believe in, even if all I'm trying to do, is understand our current society better. (I mean, is there a sociological, psychological, financial,... reason I get the some folks on the line ? I just couldn't help but wonder about this.)
But anyway... Jordan, there used to be a small series of books that were popular here in Belgium, called "Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus", and I'll always remember this one "wisdom" in there :
why do women always love to buy shoes ?? (my mrs is actually not a shoe-whore, but never mind that)
because if they gain weight, their shoes are the only piece of clothing they'll never have a problem fitting in to most of the times.
I always found that such a rational explanation for a thing that just baffles most men...
No idea if it's true or not, but I liked the explanation anyway...
Yeah definitely.StacieAnne wrote:I think if more females knew they *could* make music then there would be a greater uptake of it.