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Re: Things you somehow just figured out NOW...
Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:18 am
by msl
Only just realised how fucking awesome Surreal Machines Modnetic is... fuck, serious mojo.
Re: Things you somehow just figured out NOW...
Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:08 am
by dubdub
msl wrote:Only just realised how fucking awesome Surreal Machines Modnetic is... fuck, serious mojo.
The delay is nice but I use it more for the mod effects than anything. Not sure what exactly they modelled but they sound super authentic and shit on 99% of phaser/chorus/flanger plugins out there, they probably could have sold it for 30 bucks without the delay part.
Re: Things you somehow just figured out NOW...
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:39 pm
by SHIDZO
I recently found out that I can get thick sounding kicks by synthesizing them, processing them, re-sampling them, processing them, re-sampling them, processing them, re-sampling them..... I had such a "WHAT THE FUCK" moment it was just great
Re: Things you somehow just figured out NOW...
Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 11:49 am
by dubdub
Reviving this thread. I just randomly found out about the Simpler -> Sampler thing in Ableton drum racks... MIND BLOWN... so many new modulation possibilites.
Re: Things you somehow just figured out NOW...
Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:19 pm
by Críoch
SHIDZO wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:39 pm
I recently found out that I can get thick sounding kicks by synthesizing them, processing them, re-sampling them, processing them, re-sampling them, processing them, re-sampling them..... I had such a "WHAT THE FUCK" moment it was just great
Missed this one way back when.. I think everyone needs to have this approach. I may not have fully got it at the time either.
Anyway, It's not just kicks.. It's useful on pretty much anything. To add fullness, movement & character.
Processing.. resampling.. re-processing.. resampling.. Can make some amazing, thick, powerfully interesting sounds, which cannot be made any other way.
Reese mentality.
Re: Things you somehow just figured out NOW...
Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:20 pm
by Críoch
dubdub wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 11:49 am
Reviving this thread. I just randomly found out about the Simpler -> Sampler thing in Ableton drum racks... MIND BLOWN... so many new modulation possibilites.
Really like the way you can add oscillators & the added crunch options in the filter are nice.
Re: Things you somehow just figured out NOW...
Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 2:13 pm
by Amøbe
Críoch wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:19 pm
SHIDZO wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:39 pm
I recently found out that I can get thick sounding kicks by synthesizing them, processing them, re-sampling them, processing them, re-sampling them, processing them, re-sampling them..... I had such a "WHAT THE FUCK" moment it was just great
Missed this one way back when.. I think everyone needs to have this approach. I may not have fully got it at the time either.
Anyway, It's not just kicks.. It's useful on pretty much anything. To add fullness, movement & character.
Processing.. resampling.. re-processing.. resampling.. Can make some amazing, thick, powerfully interesting sounds, which cannot be made any other way.
Reese mentality.
resampling is such a powerful tool that I discovered waaaaay late!
Re: Things you somehow just figured out NOW...
Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 2:21 pm
by dubdub
Críoch wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:19 pm
SHIDZO wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:39 pm
I recently found out that I can get thick sounding kicks by synthesizing them, processing them, re-sampling them, processing them, re-sampling them, processing them, re-sampling them..... I had such a "WHAT THE FUCK" moment it was just great
Missed this one way back when.. I think everyone needs to have this approach. I may not have fully got it at the time either.
Anyway, It's not just kicks.. It's useful on pretty much anything. To add fullness, movement & character.
Processing.. resampling.. re-processing.. resampling.. Can make some amazing, thick, powerfully interesting sounds, which cannot be made any other way.
Reese mentality.
I'm always trying to do more resampling because it definitely gives you access to sounds/textures that are impossible to achieve otherwise but find that it often significantly slows my workflow down. I always start out working with MIDI and when bouncing to audio you lose all the modulation, knob-tweaking etc. options, so you basically have to record a large chunk with all the knob tweaking / modulation that you want, which can take up a lot of time if you have to do it multiple times. I guess this is a normal workflow for people that have a lot of hardware but coming from a pure MIDI ITB workflow, where you never have to bounce or record anything if you don't want to, it just seems infinitely slow.
I do record small bits to resample though but those are more like added fodder, they don't make up the main elements of the track.
Re: Things you somehow just figured out NOW...
Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 2:29 pm
by Amøbe
dubdub wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 2:21 pm
Críoch wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:19 pm
SHIDZO wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:39 pm
I recently found out that I can get thick sounding kicks by synthesizing them, processing them, re-sampling them, processing them, re-sampling them, processing them, re-sampling them..... I had such a "WHAT THE FUCK" moment it was just great
Missed this one way back when.. I think everyone needs to have this approach. I may not have fully got it at the time either.
Anyway, It's not just kicks.. It's useful on pretty much anything. To add fullness, movement & character.
Processing.. resampling.. re-processing.. resampling.. Can make some amazing, thick, powerfully interesting sounds, which cannot be made any other way.
Reese mentality.
I'm always trying to do more resampling because it definitely gives you access to sounds/textures that are impossible to achieve otherwise but find that it often significantly slows my workflow down. I always start out working with MIDI and when bouncing to audio you lose all the modulation, knob-tweaking etc. options, so you basically have to record a large chunk with all the knob tweaking / modulation that you want, which can take up a lot of time if you have to do it multiple times. I guess this is a normal workflow for people that have a lot of hardware but coming from a pure MIDI ITB workflow, where you never have to bounce or record anything if you don't want to, it just seems infinitely slow.
I do record small bits to resample though but those are more like added fodder, they don't make up the main elements of the track.
I think it was Paula Temple, who recently said that she works in ways of three - one day is purely sound design, which all are recorded, then one day is focusing on melodies and grooves, and then one day on arranging. I have tried to do this, and I think it works quite well, because it divides the process. I write this because I too have often felt slowed down by resampling and shit. But if it is the goal, then it does not feels like slowing down, and then when you work on another goal the next session, the sampledelica is already done, so it is a finished factor, which does not slow you down any longer
(That was how I approached the kick challenge, which was three nights at home
btw)
Re: Things you somehow just figured out NOW...
Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 2:43 pm
by acesd619
Thinking about the depth that reverb can create for the mix instead of thinking about it so much as part of sound design or simply as an effect.
Re: Things you somehow just figured out NOW...
Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 2:48 pm
by Amøbe
acesd619 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 2:43 pm
Thinking about the depth that reverb can create for the mix instead of thinking about it so much as part of sound design or simply as an effect.
Ha! Coming from a rock background my thinking took the opposite route
Re: Things you somehow just figured out NOW...
Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:08 am
by Lost to the Void
I'm making a fair bit of jungle and drum and bass at the moment.
And I only just learned how to make Neuro style basslines.
At least specifically, I knew the various techniques in other applications, but never really in a bassline Reese Neuro context.
Now I know how to do it right, I'm trying to work out how to subvert it and do it wrong.
Re: Things you somehow just figured out NOW...
Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:21 am
by WOLF!
It's all over this topic but the Ableton sampler is such a powerfull tool that I need to use a lot more.
This weekend I did a jam and multitracked it. Afterward I was cutting loops and putting these in the sampler.
Very powerfull tool that my hardware can't do.
Re: Things you somehow just figured out NOW...
Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:25 am
by Planar
Lost to the Void wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:08 am
I'm making a fair bit of jungle and drum and bass at the moment.
And I only just learned how to make Neuro style basslines.
At least specifically, I knew the various techniques in other applications, but never really in a bassline Reese Neuro context.
Now I know how to do it right, I'm trying to work out how to subvert it and do it wrong.
Interest piqued.
Super secret technique- throw your reese bass into a granular sampler. Don't tell anyone I told you though.
Re: Things you somehow just figured out NOW...
Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:37 pm
by Críoch
Ive been experimenting with making these sine compression reeses.. just was something I saw on YT. Thought it wassomething different.. and also the vid wasn't too long
Threw one into the henke granulator. Think i might see what you mean!!
Re: Things you somehow just figured out NOW...
Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:35 pm
by rktic
I constantly have to remind myself to learn more shortcuts. I sometimes feel I'm the dumbest idiot using Ableton or Bitwig. I know there are tons of ways to get to Rome. Some of which drastically remove obstacles. And whenever learning a new and quicker way I'm like "SUPER HERO 9000!".
Instead of learning more every day, I tend to forget about it again.
Until I remind myself about it again
Oddly satisfying. And fucking stupid at the same time.
Re: Things you somehow just figured out NOW...
Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:43 am
by acesd619
You guys made me spend five hours resampling shit and now I don't have a track done today. Thanks a lot. Fortunately there is a new indie rock album I've been wanting to get pissed to. I'm done with techno until next week.
Re: Things you somehow just figured out NOW...
Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:38 pm
by nomadjames
Lost to the Void wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:08 am
I'm making a fair bit of jungle and drum and bass at the moment.
And I only just learned how to make Neuro style basslines.
At least specifically, I knew the various techniques in other applications, but never really in a bassline Reese Neuro context.
Now I know how to do it right, I'm trying to work out how to subvert it and do it wrong.
We were talking about this for some reason on a different thread. Glad you've seen the light. Older DnB really teaches you what is possible with a sampler, a goal, skills, and time. You can get textures from resampling that you can't get any other way.
If you anyone in here is really interested in it, head over to The Grid on Dogsonacid.com, go back to about 2003, and start reading about EMUs...Or you can read the "Threads of Interest" sticky at the top. There is such a crazy amount of knowledge on that site.
Re: Things you somehow just figured out NOW...
Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:47 pm
by Lost to the Void
Planar wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:25 am
Lost to the Void wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:08 am
I'm making a fair bit of jungle and drum and bass at the moment.
And I only just learned how to make Neuro style basslines.
At least specifically, I knew the various techniques in other applications, but never really in a bassline Reese Neuro context.
Now I know how to do it right, I'm trying to work out how to subvert it and do it wrong.
Interest piqued.
Super secret technique- throw your reese bass into a granular sampler. Don't tell anyone I told you though.
That's a great idea. Will try tonight.
Re: Things you somehow just figured out NOW...
Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 4:51 pm
by Lost to the Void
nomadjames wrote: ↑Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:38 pm
Lost to the Void wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:08 am
I'm making a fair bit of jungle and drum and bass at the moment.
And I only just learned how to make Neuro style basslines.
At least specifically, I knew the various techniques in other applications, but never really in a bassline Reese Neuro context.
Now I know how to do it right, I'm trying to work out how to subvert it and do it wrong.
We were talking about this for some reason on a different thread. Glad you've seen the light. Older DnB really teaches you what is possible with a sampler, a goal, skills, and time. You can get textures from resampling that you can't get any other way.
If you anyone in here is really interested in it, head over to The Grid on Dogsonacid.com, go back to about 2003, and start reading about EMUs...Or you can read the "Threads of Interest" sticky at the top. There is such a crazy amount of knowledge on that site.h
Seen what light?
Sampling has been my primary sound design method for years, and I've been talking about the merits of sampling on here forever.
Contact mics, coil pic ups and field recording are how I generate a lot of my sounds.