How is this techno sound achieved?

[TomasHD]

So how do you make basses like in some regis or old surgeon tracks? There's lots of bassy stuff in between them kicks but I can't tell what it is, more kicks? A synth?
How do you make it all busy and full, without it sounding all busy, if that makes sense.

I guess surgeon these days makes his basses using modular stuff, but I am pretty sure Regis uses lots of processed samples either from toms, congas, rims, whatever.

the key is about knowing how to mix properly Kick and Bass, I ve read some interviews of Regis and his not a technical musician, he likes to twist things a lot, adding fx, nothing special.

Problably what are you hearing between the kicks are toms with some harmonic frequencies, which is pretty close to sine waves. and personally I think you can get more out of this than with just a plain bass. And what you call busy in a good way, is pure syncopation and an excellent use of space.

Cheers

[ross-alexander]

Gone that wasn't nice

[Mattias]

So how do you make basses like in some regis or old surgeon tracks? There's lots of bassy stuff in between them kicks but I can't tell what it is, more kicks? A synth?
How do you make it all busy and full, without it sounding all busy, if that makes sense.

Usually, back in the day, much of the bass / low end was achieved by many elements playing their role in the loops / pattern as a whole. Bass drums, synths and percussion sounds, pitched and killed under their own weight. More then often compressed and or distorted as a package with no side-chaining involved. It's hard to give the right idea with text only.

[ross-alexander]

You reckon a lot of it was trial and error matthias?

[Mattias]

Not really but I can be wrong. While much techno can be tracked down to initial failing, mistakes and trial & error type of production, to me that era of it seems to have evolved naturally. More tight sounds, snappier and more intrusive percussions & synth sequences. It all came together in a, part messy, part structured cacophony.

[soulstar606]

There's lots of bassy stuff in between them kicks but I can't tell what it is,

the reason you cant tell is because you havent learned enough overall technique yet.......creating the rolling basslines is truly an art form...it applies to techno as well as trance.....being able to create a true rolling basline...that seems to just float on air and push the song forward is an extrememly hard thing to master...it takes time....but there is multiple ways of doing it....

from my experience....i tried the pitched down tom thing that lots of people suggest...and I 've not liked the results...with todays tech options, using shitty 909 samples as the most important part of your song is not a smart way to go..i d rather synthesize my own sounds...and to start with two sine waves froma synth is the best way ive found to make these baassslines.


you could seriously pull off a really good minimal tech song with two sinewaves, one for the kick, one for the bass, and two Noiswh generators, one for the clap/snare and one for the hats

then if you want then use a sampler....and sample yourself...singing..but make sure you practice how to sing.....for a few years.....otherwise simply shout "YEAH" or "ARE YOU READY{" into the mic.....and reverse it, and pitch it down an octave

[TomasHD]

There's lots of bassy stuff in between them kicks but I can't tell what it is,

the reason you cant tell is because you havent learned enough overall technique yet.......creating the rolling basslines is truly an art form...it applies to techno as well as trance.....being able to create a true rolling basline...that seems to just float on air and push the song forward is an extrememly hard thing to master...it takes time....but there is multiple ways of doing it....

from my experience....i tried the pitched down tom thing that lots of people suggest...and I 've not liked the results...with todays tech options, using shitty 909 samples as the most important part of your song is not a smart way to go..i almost always synthesize my own sounds...and to start with two sine waves froma synth is the best way ive found to make these baassslines.

Agree, One of the hardest techniques in techno has to be a proper rolling bassline, not just a reverb rumble, the whole interaction between the kick and the low end. That has to be my favorite sound

[innovine]

. It's hard to give the right idea with text only.

Please try anyway although I love this kind of techno I'm nowhere near it in terms of production and really could do with some advice this time.

I definitely agree with the comments about rolling basslines being a difficult art, yet that doesn't help me produce them in any way :/

[Hades]

You just need to have them float on air and push the song forward

[Mattias]

When I get a hole in the schedule the coming days and if I'm not too tired I'll try to make an audio example with the steps I took to achieve it.

[mainst09]

You just need to have them float on air and push the song forward

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[Hades]

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[arkos]

The reverb kick is something I could learn from youtube etc. But this sort of sound I just can't find anywhere.

I think the bass in the example you posted is just the kick reversed with some reverb, eq, distortion and side chain compression applied.

[Mattias]

Way too advanced. You over-think it

[soulstar606]

The reverb kick is something I could learn from youtube etc. But this sort of sound I just can't find anywhere.

I think the bass in the example you posted is just the kick reversed with some reverb, eq, distortion and side chain compression applied.

Way too advanced. You over-think it

yea, i think so......earlier on i would always be mystified by how someone achieved some specific technique...and then it seemed like i wuold hear that technique everywhere...but its not about the technqiue its about your overall level of mixxing ability....instead of focusing on the technique only....take a step backwards and see the effect of the technique in the general sense...what is the effect you want to create.

the effect is that youre trying to fill uip the bottom end odf the track....so you have beat one and then off beat 1......and your challenge is to fill that up somehow...with whatever magical formula you can...

the only specific gthing you might want to do is have more of an accent on the beat 1 to make it more of the kick sound...but..listen..why not try accenting the offbeat 1 instead...like why does the kick HAVE to go on beat 1 always...it doesnt..

..that's looking at the forest....instead of looking at the tree

or....focus on filling up beat 1 offbeat 1...and then maybe something different for beat 2 offbeat 2, then you have a half bar loop you can work with
something like this...with the kick on the offbeat and the "bassline" on the downbeat....ahh this sounds weird, but you cant make original stuff unless you break your routines and habits.
https://soundcloud.com/inversound/untitled/s-94FHR

plus i put a free lfo on the "bass sound"(actually the kick functionally) if you listen to the end you will hear it start to drift in and out which creates a cool effect...wait....no sorry i put an free lfo ON the gated lfo that is modding pitch....to create a droning effect..

[Planar]

I read that twice, Soulstar, and I have no fucking idea what you're on about.

[surface]

Hahaha! ..

[Ploy]

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[soulstar606]

I read that twice, Soulstar, and I have no fucking idea what you're on about.